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snickerdoodle





PostPosted: 12 Dec 14 17:28
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Whatever the dysfunction, it all results in poor governance, lost potential and enormous cost to the country. It is driven by self-interest, myopia, greed, arrogance and for naught else but personal gain, by those whom we entrust to make policies on all of our behalves.

Even our intellectuals and journalists are failing us. The conversations that we should be having on a national level are not occurring, instead we get plenty of artifice. There is so much wool being pulled, that wool shares should be soaring.
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computerflyer





PostPosted: 12 Dec 14 16:44
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I see where ou are coming from. The ALP wins internal dysfunction, but I maintain the Liberals win external and governmental dysfunction.

Your eloquence has returned :)
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snickerdoodle





PostPosted: 12 Dec 14 15:39
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If the gold standard is measured by the amount of fools gold that the standard is dipped in, perhaps you are on to something. I have not forgotten the in-party fighting, disunity, discord, dysfunction; in short Labor governance was predicated by dys or dis everything or something else. Nor have I forgotten the broken promises. Tony clearly has, now that he is breaking wind...uhm, I meant promises of his own. Either it is part of his strategy based on the belief that peoples' memories are very short, or he is really not very bright.

Dr No notwithstanding, he was not in government at the time. The Libs did take advantage of Labor's dysfunction, but Labor exacerbated their own problems all by their little selves and Labor was solely responsible for turning off the Australian electorate.

Unlike you, I see no difference between the two. Then again I am in that demographic where I do not really benefit from the policies of either party. I am neither poor nor rich enough, so the only thing that I take home, regardless of who is in power, is less money for my blood, sweat and tears.
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computerflyer





PostPosted: 12 Dec 14 12:08
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This government sets the gold standard for dysfunction.

All is relative, and compared to this government the previous one was functional. The main dysfunction of the previous government was Abbott being "Dr.No" and solidly being one-eyed to opposing the government of the day, not benefiting Australia. In spite of Abbott a lot got passed that was _relatively_ well accepted if not brilliantly thought out or executed.

Methinks you uncharacteristically show a partisan chip. The ALP lost the previous Vic election, the Liberals did not win it. Napthine showed us the Vic Liberals were not much (unless you were a property developer). In 2014 the ALP arguably won it, although the Liberals being connected to Abbott was probably the deciding factor. Obama under delivered in the US, Abbott has set a high standard for toxicity, and in these early days Andrews is an unknown as Premier and could surprise or not.

For the rest of your posts, while perhaps not as eloquent as you often can be, but hard to argue with most of it.
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snickerdoodle





PostPosted: 12 Dec 14 10:53
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Sorry, I have to clarify further. I got it wrong again in my last post. Where I stated - "About my previous post, what I mean to say is that we purport to be a secular democracy and not that we are a 'failing' secular democracy." We do not 'purport' to be a 'failing' secular democracy, although I think that we are actually failing in a big way. Apologies, I'm having reflux.
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snickerdoodle





PostPosted: 12 Dec 14 10:48
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About my previous post, what I mean to say is that we purport to be a secular democracy and not that we are a 'failing' secular democracy. Albeit, from where I am sitting I can see that there is widespread uncertainty or misunderstanding what a secular democracy actually is or should be, or, indeed, what the word 'secular' actually means. If only 'Government' were part of the high school curriculum over here. Maybe then we could have some degree of political literacy and competency among our population. It would only be rudimentary, but still a lot better than what is today.
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snickerdoodle





PostPosted: 12 Dec 14 10:37
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The worst of it all is that the Australian electorate is always implicated in these great miscarriages of the failing secular democracy that we purport to be(?). I could stomach this nonsense that passes as politics in this country if there were some evidence of major electoral fraud, but you are all guilty as hell! My advice - "do not consume Australian politics without Pepto-Bismol."
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snickerdoodle





PostPosted: 12 Dec 14 10:30
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Computerflyer I agree that it is desirable to have a positive outlook about life, but to call the previous Labor government 'functional' is stretching optimism somewhat. What a great choice we have between tweedledum (Labor) and tweedledee (Liberal) and tweedleidiotic (Greens) - just look at Victoria. Seriously?! Andrews?! Pass me the barf bag.

Oh, and I can't believe it's not bu...I mean career pollie number one hundred and...blah blah, leader of the opposition 'what's his name again'? Bland and boring, prattle on, snot face, Bill Shortonideas? Man of the moment in our temporal popularity polls. Crikey, even Putin or Kim Jong-un would do better if given the job. Maybe we need to advertise internationally for someone to run this country.

Now there is an idea, we should outsource government ministerial positions and party leadership positions to overseas pundits. Pollies think that we need to bring in folk from turd world countries to augment our skilled labor force, well maybe we need to augment fresh ideas and perspectives in politics the same way. We would probably save us a tihs load of money and be able to reduce wages and entitlements for politicians in the process. Thus, kill a whole bunch of blow flies with one stone - so to speak.
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computerflyer





PostPosted: 11 Dec 14 06:35
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A nonfunctional lying government in complete disarray is exactly what hemel wants in preference to one that is functional although usually somewhat ordinary.
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esteven





PostPosted: 10 Dec 14 20:32
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How many promises has Tony broken now? Must be nearing the hundred mark. Mind you, I can see the attraction of a compulsive liar for you and commodore; birds of a feather and all that icon_wink.gif
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hemel





PostPosted: 10 Dec 14 12:27
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Surely the Australian people are not considering voting in the Labor Govt again are they. With their only stratergy being borrow borrow borrow, that will be another fine mess we will be in. Aussies have such short memories, all they can see are the bits that effect them that they dont like, and just hope that "the others" will give them a better deal.. They wont, they never do.
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